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Loading ...I just wanted to share a little bit more on how I see things, especially in relationships, Circles, and the BGTP program.
As you probably already know, I live with two women.
In the beginning, when girls used to ask, “Aren’t I enough for you?”
…The answer was NO.
“You are already satisfied with YOURSELF, or should be.”
We aren’t here to “fulfill” or “satisfy” each other, we’re a team looking to magnify the human experience. That’s what relationships are for – to *magnify* the human experience.
The entire question, “Aren’t I enough to satisfy you?” is based in co-dependency, you see?
The truth is that no one outside of you can EVER satisfy you, not even TEN THOUSAND LOVERS can “satisfy” you. You must satisfy yourself!
(PUA’s all over the world are learning this one.)
Relationships are a pleasant add-on, and NOT a way to fill an empty void within yourself.
And I would explain it to her that way. The thing is, we DO NOT have threesomes to try to fill and empty void in the relationship, we have threesomes to GIVE our unique gifts, and to SHARE.
Sharing is caring 
It’s not about taking energy from the second girl and using her, it’s about drafting her in and training her to be the best woman she can be emotionally, sexually, and spiritually.
(Assuming she’s humble and wants to learn.)
People go, “Why isn’t ONE girl enough for you man?! Are you greedy?”
My question to them is, “Why isn’t one CAR enough, or one child? Why do you need two CATS?”
The thing is, until one can help blossom open the heart, mind, body and soul of *ONE* girl… thinking, “How can I get three?” is retarded.
The trick to the Circle lifestyle is that I don’t care much about “persuading” girls of anything. Trying to “pressure” a girl to do something she doesn’t want to do just isn’t going to work.
The thing about Circles is simple: Once you get the girl to feel soooooo loved, understood, appreciated, sexually opened, emotionally free…
When you can get girls *CRYING* and going, “WHO ARE YOU??”……..
When you can touch a girl’s HEART to the point where it feels like there is only one soul sharing two bodies…
NOW you couples are ready to *start* thinking about Circles.
My girlfriends, Ghita and Greta, are sooooo enthusiastic and deeply fulfilled that they actually feel SELFISH for not trying to “pimp me out” to other girls.
(Actually, more on this later… we have an update that is going to FREAK you guys out, I promise.)
Truth is, I have spent an entire lifetime working on myself, and seeking “the ultimate truths” about women.
FACT: I have cold-approached *thousands* of women, I’ve dated *hundreds* of women, and I’ve had Circles with *dozens* of women.
LIFE EXPERIENCE, as well as continued, focused, and even OBSESSIVE dedication to this path is what got “my game” to where it is today.
Not to mention, a lot of contemplation, meditation, and TEARS.
I don’t say this to brag about my work ethic, I’m just trying to convey that you can’t do what I do unless you know what I know.
And you can’t know what I know unless you’ve lived what I have lived.
I have been SWIMMING IN PUSSY since age 12 (actually, even before that, but let’s not go there). That’s 20 years of living and breathing *WOMEN* in my life, almost every day, 365 days a year for over 20 years.
I was also raised by four women. Religious FEMINISTS.
I know what a “shit test” is.
Forgive me if I’m going overboard…
I just…
I’m getting upset, I see these KIDS trying to tell their girls, “Why can’t you be more like Ghita, like Greta, why can’t you get me a GIRL dammit!!”
It’s like… dude, try on a little humility.
For this reason (and more), I’m trying to decide if I should STOP selling the BGTP -
http://www.ideagasms.net/the-bisexual-girlfriend-training-program/
(Or at least, pre-screen people?)
You see, I’m looking at my sales database, and even though it clearly states that one must have the basics down first (The GTP) -
http://www.ideagasms.net/girlfriend-training-program/
…People are trying to skip the GTP and go right to the ninja-level stuff.
You don’t take one Judo lesson, and jump into the ring with Chuck Norris… I can’t have these *kids* trying to push their girlfriends into a Circle. It’s bad karma. My programs are not just “toys”, they are social karmic interchanges, and therefore a huge responsibility.
My stuff isn’t just a “sales and marketing” thing, it’s my life’s work, my research and development… and in the wrong hands, it can seriously mess up your otherwise perfectly good relationship.
FOR THIS REASON, I am considering removing the BGTP program from the general public. Or pre-screening. Or finding a way
to make sure they get the basic GTP first…
Sean and I have been brainstorming what we should do about this, and I thought, “Why don’t we ask our readers what THEY think?”
If you’re so inclined, I’d like you to hit ‘reply’ and offer up your ideas, suggestions, or any advice you have.
Free GTP *and* Female Orgasm Mastery video goes to the guy or girl who sends me the winning suggestion. (If you have them already, then free BGTP)
Namaste.
Sincerely,
Stephane
I love stef.
Its not about being enough, Its about magnifying!
Excellent!
Good post, I love it.
About removing the BGTP from the public: definitely! Make a database of people, save their emails etc. Everything that is needed to buy a product, and then when they want the BGTP that they should email you if they want to buy it. At that point you can check what products they’ve got… from there on, you can have a very brief conversation about what they got from the GTP, or like, answer a very essential question that is needed to progress from GTP stage to BGTP stage.
Having a database of all clients and what they have bought is really necessary when you’ve got 20,000 readers.
That’s my take,
~Tuplados.
The first thing I got was the BGTP.
Definitely was not ready for it. But I learned good thing from it. There is something to be said for jumping into waters that are deeper than what you’re ready for.
But yes, I don’t think I got much of the BGTP till I went back and looked at the other stuff. Still probably don’t get a lot of it. But I’m glad to have the information available to me.
Maybe you should ask people how many times they used the 5DC formula? an estimation might be more realistic.
How often do you meditate(in a week) and for how long?
(might be pointless, because state is more important IMO but maybe to mesure the dedication to overcome the ego)
Precisely what 5 things did they really like about the GTP? (so that they actually listen to it a couple times before buying the BGTP)
Maybe give them a “to-read” list before even thinking about getting it. (ex:Eckhart, Deepak, Hawkins)
Maybe ask them why they even want to listen to the BGTP? Is it(circles) something they really want to get into?
Have them get a phone consultation before so that you can judge if there ready for yourself?
*bliss*
Very… very interesting. I actually came across this site from a Ross Jefferies e-mail, and the first thing I noticed was your different outlook on the whole relationship thing. That compassion, that love for women is something I have honestly cultivated, but was never able to capture. For my own personal reasons, indeed… But in any case, I believe you are right in taking this… BGTP off the market. I mean, if you aren’t driven by the potential to make money, and would rather uphold your personal beliefs, then it is simply the right thing to do. I guess to many it may seem arrogant, or selfish… But it seems that you need to be coming from the right place to actually make this work for yourself without the expense of other’s feelings, emotions, and well being. I hope this helped.
Hey Stephane,
I find it amazing, how you care about what happens with your teachings and don’t care about the money!
I think you can never be 100% sure that your stuff is only in the right hands, but maybe an idea might be to sell this product only to women. When I find a woman who is ready for a circle and when I am ready for a circle, she will want to buy me this product to take the relationship to the next level. Otherwise she won’t do so if you put a big fat warning hint on the order page…
Hey Stephane,
Here are my two ideas:
1. If you have assembled a decent calibration team, have those people calibrate the level of consciousness of the individual who wants to purchase the BGTP. Appropriate calibration questions could be “Would selling the BGTP to this person be the right choice?” or “Can this person handle the BGTP?” and see whether it calibrates as true or false. If you do not have a calibration team, then look at idea #2.
2.Schedule a 5-10 minute phone interview or video chat with the individual who wants to buy the BGTP. Talking over MSN or filling out a questionnaire is ineffective since anyone can say the answer you want them to hear in typed words. However, seeing them face-to-face in video chat or hearing their voice as you interview them will allow you to judge their level of consciousness better (if they say the answer you want to hear but it isn’t congruent with who they are, the the person will hesitate or stutter due to the throat chakra).
To stop selling the BGTP doesn’t sound like an option to me, there is way too much value in it!
It opens peoples eyes to what is possible. It gives an inside look at how the dynamics really work (which are much more free and loving than I imagined before). And it has lot’s of added value to the GTP.
But selling it really has two sides to it. The problems you encounter are in a high amount due to students skipping the GTP to start with the advanced stuff immediately. So to avoid such problems you already named two options that are both possible. (Pre-screening and locking it until the GTP is bought first)
Little bit off-topic:
The pre-screening may be of great value to the forums as well, since there are still topics with questions like: “What is dragonbutter?”, “You talk about God all the time, but what if I’m an atheist?” and “What’s up with this 5dc thing you all talk about?”. Like they’ve never read a newsletter or a post on this blog.
Just to know the basics are clear and to prevent the misunderstandings you talk about above. I can imagine some terms to be not comprehensible to new readers, like spanking, 5dc, dragon butter, consciousness and even love. To most of us it’s all clear, but there’s some catching up to do for entirely new (forum)members.
I’m sure you’ll find a right solution! Good luck!
WoodBox
I think the best idea would be pre-screening. Ask them several questions, such as how their past relationships have been, how they view life, and what they hope to achieve with the BGTP.
Ask not only questions confirming they have studied GTP, but questions on how they VIEWED it and what they GAINED from it. Many people will consume a program and say “I know that now” without actually understanding it. Information is pure, and everyone will manifest it in their own unique way, but make sure the way they are manifesting it is in a constructive, healthy way.
Get a feel for who they are, where they are on their path, and their level on consciousness. If you ask them what you hope to achieve with the program, and they say “I want to get laid more and persuade my girlfriend into threesomes”, you’ll know they aren’t ready yet, in which case you can recommend another product to help them get to the level of the BGTP.
It seems like a bit of work, but it could probably be done in a quick questionnaire, and would probably only five to ten minutes to read. Just asking someone to make that effort alone would filter out most of the people who aren’t serious.
This is my first comment on this blog, though I’ve been reading it a couple months. The value the blog ALONE has given me has been amazing, so I look forward to getting the GTP soon. I really dig what you’re doing; it’s really given me some perspective, and it’s definitely allowed me to live in a more positive, fulfilling way. I was what you would call a huge skeptic, but since reading Tolle, as well as resources like your blog, it’s really expanded my consciousness. Respect.
>>We aren’t here to “fulfill” or “satisfy” each other, we’re a team >>looking to magnify the human experience. That’s what >>relationships are for – to *magnify* the human experience.
>>The entire question, “Aren’t I enough to satisfy you?” is based >>in co-dependency, you see?
>>The truth is that no one outside of you can EVER satisfy you, not >>even TEN THOUSAND LOVERS can “satisfy” you. You must satisfy >>yourself!
I want to say first that I understood this concept intuitively many years ago. I would watch my friends all getting married and it just felt wrong somehow. It seemed to me that they were getting married to try to fill a hole within themselves. It was just a big charade of happiness and bliss, when underneath both people in the marriage were hurting oh so much. I like being able to read your blog and see my own ideas reflected back at me in a more coherent form.
As for the BGTP question:
I think you should stop advertising it, but not stop distributing it altogether.
You suggest making sure they have the GTP before selling them the BGTP. Theoretically, someone could by the GTP and BGTP at the same time, despite the extra cost of getting both at once, and still skip to the Ninja-level stuff.
You could counter this by instituting a waiting period (maybe 6 months?) between buying the first and buying the second. Most people who aren’t serious about truly learning and instead just want to get laid will get bored in those 6 months and forget about it–unless they actually start using the GTP and begin to understand it. A “pre-screening” phone consultation might be helpful, but is not the answer by itself.
I personally think you should require people to purchase all three other products (GTP, Orgasms, and 7 Chakras) before being able to buy the BGTP. Then you make them wait six months to digest all the stuff in those three courses, THEN they can purchase the BGTP. I don’t think a pre-screen would be necessary at that point (in essence, you’ve already pre-screened with these steep time and money requirements).
Now, if you stop advertising the BGTP you still need a way for people to know about it. I suggest putting “previews” from the BGTP in your other products. Make sure people know it’s there, mention it often, but don’t give away all the secrets, and make sure people understand how high level it is and that they must wait and study the other courses before being allowed to buy the BGTP. If you put any techniques in the preview, make sure they’re relatively innocuous so they can’t be misused.
-E
I don’t believe anything can protect people from doing harm to themselves if they’re inclined to do so. Any tests and/or checks may just turn down potential buyers, even those who already mastered GTP. I think the right approach would be to guide, but not to enforce.
Perhaps a warning with check box or “I Agree” button on the “Buy BGTP Now” page will do. Something like:
“I understand that BGTP program may harm my relationships” and
“I certify that I have purchased and studied GTP program as a pre-requisite to BGTP”.
Hey SkwertMaster Steph !
I think the best way to make sure that the BGTP gets in the right hands, (and in the right hands ONLY) is to pre-screen the COUPLES and NOT the individuals (unless you have a clear and strong feeling that selling it to THAT particular individual would be right).
Once the couples enter the BGTP selling page, they should be greeted with the necessary information and WARNINGS. If they are not deterred by them, they should submit a special request form for buying the BGTP, after which you could pre-screen them:
1. face-to-face (when they show up on a studio recording or on a group meditation that you organize, etc.)
2. via live video-chat
3. via a special BGTP phone-consultation
Another idea: to make sure that the couples REALLY want the BGTP, you could have them buy other related products first (unless they already own them, of course), and subject them to a screening process after they come back and claim to have listened to all of the products that you consider necessary, and feel ready for the BGTP.
When it comes to prices, you could raise them, but NEVER LOWER THEM.
If the couples are so evolved, open-minded, open-hearted and free-spirited as “BGTP-ready couples” should be, and REALLY serious about learning this stuff, they will be GLAD to pay you. After all, they should be aware of the fact that money is energy, and if they spend it, it will come back to them in many other ways; if they don’t see it that way, they are certainly not ready for the BGTP.
And after the couples actually buy the BGTP, you could include a warning message so that they don’t start teaching it to everyone they meet, but rather send those other people over to ideaGasms’ first.
Dear SkwertMaster, please don’t take the BGTP off the market, just make sure that it gets ONLY (and ONLY) to a very restricted ideaGasms supporter base.
After all, the way of life you teach requires sort of a Jedi-level wisdom and it’s definitely not for everyone.
Keep up the good work !
Namaste,
Arp
If it were my program, I would simply ask the user a few question along the lines of NLP based professional coaching.
What are your intentions for utilizing the information in this product?
How do you / would you engage with women in a bar or nightclub?
Where would you like to meet / find / pick up women who would be capable of this lifestyle?
When would you be ready to use the information contained in this product?
What steps do you see as neccessary steps for your advancement into the levels of consciousness that will allow a circle to develop in your life?
Describe to me your idea of what a relationship circle consists of?
What types of women do you think are ready for a cirlce?
…
I know that in NLP based coaching they talk about getting in the zone and being able to design unique questions that will unlock the true intentions behind the individual. In my experience, coaching is generally done on a person to person basis, over the phone, or in person due to the reliance on voice inflections and micro-expressions in the face to determine the line of questioning.
Now that is what I would do, but I have lots of time on my hands. As I was writing this I thought of another solution that may fit your system better.
Steph, I think that the BGTP is a complex program with many complex and different people looking to buy it, I believe that to screen the applicants you or someone with IG will have to speak to them directly (phone or face) or you will simply have to base your decision in your own intuition.
Personally I feel that your intuition is at a level enabling you to judge the character of the applicant and decide as soon as you see the order whether or not this particular person is eligable (like a restaraunt owner turning away someone without any clothes on).
I believe that if you took this stance it would save you time, energy, and money; as well as heartache and arguments over the students who are completely missing the point of what you are teaching. You simply reserve the right to refuse to sell the BGTP anyone who wants it. Just like any other business.
Setting benchmarks of posts, or questionaires, or even coaching clients can be misleading or manipulative because people can think or do whatever they want to get whatever they want. I think that you already knew the answer to this question, but I’m glad that I have had the opportunity to possibly get a free copy of the BGTP, I think I might of bought it, but I trashed all my IG products when I went through the “I hate the teacher that taught me that I can learn best from myself” phase a few months ago. Anyway bro, you will come to the right conclusions on this complicated matter.
Peace and Chicken Grease,
Timothy “Peter Pan” Schimandle
PS: I win
As far as strictly from a point of your ethical decisions…
I second the person that says calibrate it. You could
probably calibrate if a person should have the BGTP faster
than reading thier application. Have them apply, but instead
of focusing on the application, just calibrate it to see if
should be approved or not.
Now from a business perspective I might see a negative with this.
The only downside I see of this would be expense as I’m sure
you will have to spend a lot of money to have people calibrate
for you all the time. Usually the process of people buying
products online is automated and at no expense.
I would also raise the price of it. This way you will get much
more serious people, not so many “samplers”. The more expensive
it is the more people will value it as well. I think this alone
will raise the quality of customers. But then to further refine
it, calibration if it is affordable gets my vote.
Having purchased and listened to both, I think it should be a prerequisite to have the GTP FIRST.
You have to walk before you can run.
the heart is another entity, can’t really be described only felt, who knows what one might find in the process of discovering ourselves, like say goodbye to control and just embrace.. and it will show in our feedback.. less head based and more touching. how will you go about noticing which is which?
thank you.. jess
wow, I definitely don’t think you should stop selling the BGTP entirely… that stuff is golden! But I agree with many of the other people who have replied to this; there should definitely be some sort of pre-screening… honestly, 98% of guys out there will have no idea what to do with it anyway
Hey Steph,
If you feel that the high-level teachings are being compromised by being too easily accessible, then by all means introduce a buyer-screening system!
You already mentioned that ninja ways are not for those in their first judo class. We could mention other skill-learning processes, like driving– you don’t give a 16 year old kid who’s barely learned to handle the family car a FORMULA ONE RACE CAR! And likewise first time meditators aren’t admitted to three-month solo retreats, nor are college freshmen normally admitted to gradute level-seminars! No, there are years of pre-requisites to work through… and convincing letters of intention to be written!
Especially if you feel that the groundwork (eg, developing maturity, unconditional compassion for others, and foundational relationship experience) is being skipped by some of your buyer/students, then some more involvement on your part is needed in these higher levels.
Like Hypnotica says “I don’t teach this stuff to just anyone.”
btw, just looking at your site for the first time today. Awesome! Im new to the whole science and art of PU-ology… what a fascinating world!
Stephane,
You have seen a potential problem here and are looking for a solution. I don’t know if you have made your decision yet, but I have some thoughts about it.
I think that whatever course of action you take should be in line with a bigger plan for the program. This plan may go beyond the current published material to stuff that is only in incubating form in your collective heads.
I don’t believe you can remove the program from the sales entirely now, the cat is out of the bag and you would only create a black market for the stuff. There should be several qualifiers for customers of the product. A much higher price should be required - perhaps 5 times as much for instance. You might couple the purchase with required classes or some other form of direct interaction between yourself (or staff) and the customer. If you see a potential form of misuse of the material, then perhaps a written usage agreement could be part of the package (something more involved than clicking a button).
Ultimately, I believe you are looking to ensure that a person is committed to the advancement of their conscious states, more you want to maintain some control of the growth of the methods. Perhaps this requires more information and training at the lower levels, to more people in general. Perhaps you can step downward and offer a different route to reach a courageous level.
Hope that helps. I think this kind of advice (from all of your friends, above) is hard to compensate - nor does it necessarily require a specific value in attempt.
Meant to say “more than you” rather than “more you” in the second to last paragraph
thanks
My insight may not be that valuable because I don’t own any of your products. However, I’ve been in the community for several years and just found your website last week. I’ve been reading posts and getting a feel for the products, as I’d like to purchase an introductory level product to get a sense of what you’re about. It seems to me that the BGTP is the most advanced, but working backwards from there it’s tough for me to deduce the advancement through the teachings. Perhaps you can offer customers a bit of a road map, if they are really serious about buying the BGTP offer your insight into how their progression should go. I plan to start with the intro CD and the Chakras. I figure that will be plenty for a long time, as far as I can tell that seems to be a solid foundation. Anyways, I would like to see a bit of a progression through your products laid out, and I expect other visitors may have this same desire.
Hi Steph
Well if you really want people to get or listen to the GTP program first, I would put the BGTP program in to a RAR(winRAR) or similar file and then have it password protected and then place the password in the end of the GTP program. Off course you´ve to warn about the password and point it to the GTP before people buy it.
Hope that will clear that problem out for you.
Thank you Steph for making “this” it changed my life(for the better)