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Dear Stephane,
Thanks for giving your gift to all of us lost boys. Just love it!
I’m just wondering why a highly aware being such as Stephane eats meat. Sorry dude, but compassion includes animals too. Right? 2 million chickens in New york per day. What’s your perspective on this?
Thanks again,
B.
>>>MY MEAT-EATING COMMENTS:
Excuse me while I wipe the saliva from my mouth… your question makes me hungry.
A cow’s greatest joy is to give itself to us.
And, all those cows and chickens are alive thanks to us meat-eaters; they have the chance (opportunity) to incarnate, as well as the honor of serving us.
Lettuce and potatoes are also dying, in service to us. All of life serves higher life. Such is the way of life on earth.
(Note: I’m aware of the greedy farmers who mistreat animals, so when I eat meat I make sure it is “free range” chickens, and the like.)
Also note that there is no such thing as “death”, which is merely a mental construct. “Death” is a linear concept, dependent on time and location. As such, it is decidedly not “real”.
Life cannot “die” (cease to exist)… life merely changes form.
As Wayne Dyer said, “You are not a human being having a spiritual experience, you are a spiritual being having a human experience”.
I am not a materialist, I am not an atheist, and I am not skeptical.
I no longer identify with the linear world of form (material, physical) but rather, with the non-linear (context, essence, Divinity).
As such, I no longer am afraid of death (Ok, well I’m still working on it) and do not think in terms of “I killed the chicken”.
I am the Silent Witness (Consciousness itself) observing a piece of meat called “Stephane” eating another piece of meat called “cow”. When such activities are done in Love, one can begin to see the beauty in hamburgers.
Meat is not “murder”, meat is merely energy that is in service to life itself. And so are carrots and peas.
Thanks for your question.
Blessings,
Stephane
PS - For transcending the linear, and identifying with the non-linear (”inner game on steroids”) click here:
http://www.ideagasms.net/chakra-centers-heal-cd/
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UPDATE:
There have been a lot of comments, thanks everyone. I find it interesting how “food/health beliefs” are somewhat like a religion these days - people tend to get VERY emotional during such discussions. I don’t necessarily mean You Guys, I just mean in general.
I wanted to comment on one of the most popular comments about this post, namely, “How can you say that a cow is able to feel JOY, when the cow resists it’s own death?”
I see the world in terms of linearity and non-linearity (as per quantum mechanics, religion/spirituality, consciousness research, etc.). The cow or pig is both linear (physical) and non-linear (’spiritual’). When I comment on a cow’s ‘greatest joy’, I am commenting on the spirit (non-linear aspect also termed ‘consciousness’) of the animal.
Despite linear appearances (e.g., a cow feeling fear, due to survival instincts), as well as the fact that “death” is merely a mentally constructed linear concept, and thus decidedly not real (e.g., dependent on time and location), my statements regarding the animal’s ‘joy’ are coming from my heart chakra (non-linear discernment, as well as unconditional love and compassion).
Logically, since all of life on earth serves higher life forms (Reality), on a spiritual level, the presemption of Joy seems rather obvious. As the Great Avatars and spiritual mystics have noted, all pain comes from resisting Reality, and fear is illusion based on ignorance. Thus, the cow’s pain (resistance) and fear (illusion) do not equal “truth”, nor does it denote “proof” that the cow does not experience spiritual Joy.
Someone also commented, rather slyly, “What if someone kills and eats YOU, Stephane?” and that’s cute, but they are overlooking the statements about all of life serving higher life. Humans eating humans doesn’t fit that paradigm of Reality. (Although, if someone chooses to kill the body labeled “Stephane”, and it’s my karma to be killed, I graciously accept it, despite my linear survival instincts.)
With all of this said, I am unable to prove that a cow is in Joy (on a spiritual level) when I eat it. Currently, quantum mechanics, etc. are over my head, but it has been said that if the wise trust the wiser their lives can be enhanced.
Also note that none of you are able to prove that animals are spiritually unable to experience Joy in the context of serving higher life (”eating”).
Now, on one level, we’re actually talking about faith versus skepticism/doubt/agnosticism/atheism. There is an awareness in human beings that the mind/ego is naive, vulnerable, and very prone to error. Thus, we often assume that we need to protect ourselves using various degrees and expressions of skepticism and doubt. (Paradoxically, skeptics are not skeptical of their skepticism, and doubters are not doubting their own doubt. This reminds me of Richard Bandler’s useful therapeutic question, “Are you sure enough to be unsure?”
Of course, quantum mechanics, as well as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle have proven the existence of ‘God’ (God is merely a primitive term for Consciousness), therefore skepticism and doubt do not represent valid viewpoints, but rather, ignorant/arrogant positionalities that have been disproved by Socrates and Plato centuries ago. God, Spirit, Divinity, Allah, Krishna, and so on all mean the same thing: Consciousness.
(Currently, approximately 92% of Americans say they believe in God, although the majority of them still naively presume that God is a human-like entity and actually live in fear/dread/anxiety because they have not yet learned that God really just means Consciousness, and as such, God is decidedly not prone to egoic (hate, anger, vengefulness, vindictiveness, jealousy, etc.) qualities. Since most people are unfamiliar with the reality of God as Immanent Consciousness, even a simple conversation about Spiritual Joy becomes impossible with the majority of the population, who do not at this time qualify to have an opinion on such matters.)
As noted by Charles Eisenstein (in his research into skepticism), there is a motivation of hidden, spiteful, mean-spirited attitudes which are often revealed to be “cynical, arrogant, dogmatic, smug, and emotional, as represented by professional ‘debunkers’.”
If we look at many of the comments regarding my original post about an animal feeling spiritual Joy (because it serves higher life), we see some of these emotionalities in the form of sarcasm, which is an egotistical passive-agressive phenomena with less-than-honorable intentions (in most cases the intent of sarcasm is to imply that someone is stupid).
Since skepticism believes that true reality is unknowable, it becomes rather obvious that skepticism itself is also subject to it’s own criteria. Skepticism provides it’s own rope by which it hangs itself with. Negating a negative does not create a positive 
A COW FEELS SPIRITUAL JOY WHEN I EAT IT. I say this because all of life serves higher life, thus on a spiritual level it cannot be any other way.
If anyone can disprove this, I’m listening.
Also of interest, note that [many, but certainly not all] vegetarians and vegans seem to hate and resent (as opposed to having unconditional love and compassion for) those who eat meat. They also seem to have a vested interest in being ‘right’ (e.g., cognitive dissonance as well as narcissism), and often argue (very emotionally I might add) with meat-eaters about morality, often confusing morality with situational ethics.
Vegans and vegetarians often seem to have more love for animals than they have for their fellow human beings, including themselves. This isn’t to say that vegans and vegetarians are ‘wrong’ by any means, in fact, I’ve read some very interesting research into certain bloodtypes having difficulty processing meat, and I often wonder if veganism and vegetarianism might be evidence that the human animal is evolving, perhaps?
Thanks again everyone, great discussion.
Stephane
i dont like this post ….
i cant imagine jesus cutting cows throat or him eating meat ….
i dont like this post….
i cant imagine jesus cutting cows throat or him eating meat …
Vegetarians are so ego based persons, pretty much like anorexic persons. (I’m talking about ethic/political vegetarians, not the healthy ones)
I’ve dated one, and knowing a lot. And I’ve noticed a pattern:
- They believe superior to other animals (that’s not very compationate) so they are not animal anymore, animals eat meat, is how nature works.
- They feel guilty about being alive (VERY) so they can’t take anything of this world including meat. They neither can’t take love, they feel they don’t deserve it. If you stop eating meat you have to be careful about eating good, you need replacements of proteins and balance the diet again… BUT they don’t, they just eat the same but without meat, and that is bad for them and they know it (more guilt).
- They feel special being vegetarians, with a higher conciousness, an that a good reason to be vegetarian. Take that away from them and they’ll look for something else. Also it’s a good way to call attention
I have others, but I think it will do.
While I agree with the second part - that life doesn’t cease to exist - it merely changes form, the first argument, that cows and chickens are happy to give their lives to us, doesn’t quite hold up, as there are still farmers in my town who kill their own chickens and cows for meat, and none of them seem the least bit willing to sacrifice their lives to feed us.
I agree with Stephane 100% “Meat Is Not Murder”.
Jesus Said: “Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” Matthew 15:11
sickest way i’ve ever heard how normal it is to eat meat. i can see why it may be difficult to grasp that one. i think it’s like if a bear kills another animal to survive does that make it murder. it’s just nature. are we not “nature” as well? we’re all just meat ourselves taking on different shapes and forms all the time.
I typically like all your posts, but this is a tough one to accept.
All animals fear and fight for their lives when faced with death.
They all suffer, bleed, and feel pain. You can ignore that, but
saying they dont and are happy to die seems off.
Ultimately, until we have Freedom, every decision we make or thing we say will be tainted at least a small bit by the ego and it’s drives.
cows,chickens,ducks…whats the deal guys?
go find a life instead of making this a rocket-science (without the science of course)
i remember when we were kids and were singing old Mcdanold had a farm…eya eya ooh…..
guess what?
next thing we did is go get some chicken and nobody complained back then
whats new now?
oh …i know. we happen to have egos now and its mind time!!!lol
How many of you have a dog or a cat? Try merging with it. You might notice something interesting.
A man can reveal his power, strength, courage,etc. and practice a vegan diet.
Try some maca root for that kind of strength you need!
I enjoy my pizza with a huge ham on it right now. Delicious.
As a meat eater, I don’t think chickens and cows are “happy” to lay their lives for our tummies. They’re not smart enough to know their role in this planet. In fact, we only eat dumb animals. If you don’t believe me, ask yourself this question: Have you ever eaten horse? I have, and I can tell you that horse meat is delicious and healthier than beef. But horses are smart and won’t give without a fight. Also horses are still used to this day as transportation because they are trainable. You won’t see horse at the butcher because they are more useful alive than dead.
Hi,
Regardin Stephanes comment on eating meat.
In a mythological way, the american indians have shared the belief that all life is actually in a continuous loop, if i am not mistaking. This means that even though a chicken or cow will phisically die, its life essence will live through us, or somethin like that
Hey bro.
You say you know that cows want to be killed and eaten by us.
Can you tell me how?
Can you read their minds?
Do they say “oh dear great one, please shove me in an over-crowded cage, no matter what age, and feed me poison. Then later, I will be hung by the legs so my neck can be sliced open just for you and suffer a great long deal of pain. This slow painfull death is the path to be eaten by you, so It’s alright.” ?
Anyways I know you dont belive in the torture part of animals but, Steph, why can’t we just as well eat humans? cows dont eat us, and they dont eat ther kind either, do why do we get to eat them?
If it doesn’t matter that animals die, because their spirits will live on..
Shouldnt it not matter if we die for food because our spitit will too, live on?
Plants and vegetables, and legumes are good for us. But can you really say that we are “running out” of plants when it goes the same for animals?
Because it’s our fault for getting the earth so dirty and polluted, our fault for things going extinct…
It’s not the fact that they die, as so do us and go to a different “place..thing..body” but it’s that they don’t enjoy life.
They should have choices, like us, if we want to die or live a misserable life. We have the great oppertunity to have choices, and why shoulnt they?
Anyways I love to always hear what you think, even if I don’t agree.
Love you lots,
Brittany.
Oh and vegetarians tastes better
Thank you Stephane, I found this a very enlightening (yeah I feel light) read.
I know some vegans and veggies that dislike meat eaters. It’s wrong and selfish yes.
But it’s just like the ‘Jehovah’s witness’ guy who comes to my door. All he believes is his own religion and no one else’s. He is just as closed-minded as some veggies out there.
And in His mind, he is ‘right’.
I’m a veggie.. but it’s not up to me to criticize someone else’s choices. And even if I where to.. I’d be just like the guy down the street telling an old woman how Christianity is stupid and how she is ‘wrong’ for having her own beliefs.
You’re the biggest meat eater I know, and I still love you
<3 hehe
I’m a huge vegetarian… i’m also a carnivore supreme… can’t get enough of predating on the life energy of all sorts of tasty plant and animal life… mmm mm mmM! Still haven’t found any tasty insects.
I’m a vegetarian and I don’t hate meat eaters. I just wouldn’t like it if someone came up to me and said “I’m hungry and I’m going to eat you”. Sure many animals eat other animals and we are just another animal but how many people would eat meat if they had to go out and kill and prepare it themselves. I don’t eat meat because I would not be prepared to do that. Some people are. I think if you want to eat meat you should have to do the killing etc. - and also be willing to be killed and eaten if someone else takes a liking to you as dinner.
Hello Stephane.
I respect you very much, but this post is so high-flown that I’m going to say something about it.
You should know that Man is what He eats, everybody knows it. If it so, then surely the eating of death in the form of flesh must bring death itself closer.
You should know that the astral body of an animal who is killed picks up a very large quantity of negative emotion that acts like a poison to the animal and, of course, to the human who consumes the flesh of that animal. The poison comes from the FEAR which the animal feels prior to its death. Because, I’m sorry but there is no alive being that is “honored” to be killed to get into your stomach.
Actually, meat is very bad for your overall health, for this and many others reasons. Search out on the web and you’ll find out that vegetarians live better with less illnesses than the avarage.
“Oh but it’s just the food chain!!”
I hope no extraterrestrial races, if they are, thinks the same way
“Oh but I need my proteins”
You don’t need so much proteins, this is a false myth; inquire, search out on the web. So why near everybody thinks the contrary? Well, if you actually are a conspirancy fan you should think about it.
Then, you talk about spirituality… “life changes form”… so you doesn’t care if someone cames into your house and kills you and all your family because he’s hungry. You are just going to change your form, right? (Sorry for the example)
Stop eating meat and watch a huge step forward in you spirituality.
Still want to eat flesh? Than you can it all you want but you have to do it with understanding. Inform yourself, and stop creating excuses to keep the habit.
Love
I have seen it myself..once you cease eating meat that is true love. Love is the biggest step to enlightenment love for all that is including the living animals. The ceasing of eating meat may cause yourself personally mild discomfort in the form of cravings and such for a few days but after that it is a light and pleasurable feeling. You are freed of alot of guilt and you can better develop the heart chakra and better spread peace and love knowing that you yourself are peaceful and loving. no matter what way you look at it..eating meat is wrong. You can try to cover it up with words and concepts but it is wrong. this is a face. everyone knows this deep down where they are afraid to look. Its like a heavy energy..eating meat..just let it go. that is true peace
I think vegetarians should talk with a conscientious livestock farmer before making any final decisions about meat. Many of the best husbandmen treat their livestock with extreme concern and pride, almost like offspring. But they still take their eggs and slaughter them for meat. It may seem weird to your average urbanite but it’s natural to a farmer. Husbandry is an inter-species handshake — humans provide them with food, shelter, medical care, and a much safer life than their wild relatives. In return humans control the course of their lives, and often end them while they are still young and healthy. But domesticated animals are happy in domestic situations, in a way feral animals and humans are not. Try to raise foxes and you’ll encounter all sorts of problems, but raise piglets and they are as happy as themselves in mud. (See “Guns, Germs, and Steel” by Jared Diamond.) Freed to live on their own in the wild most barnyard animals would die in a much more brutal way than they do on a responsibly managed farm. Have you ever seen a lion pride or jackal pack take down prey? They often are tearing out and consuming the guts even while the animal feebly kicks and twitches its final death throes. Furthermore many domesticated species would probably die out too, just as most of our domesticated plants would disappear if we ended agriculture. Just as most of us decadent Westerners wouldn’t be too happy about leaving our cushy digs to spend the rest of our life wandering the wilds of the Yukon or living in an Afghani village.
And pastured meat is a great gift. Some land is not arable, but is suitable for raising domesticated animals. There is a lot of waste in modern agri-business that would be remedied by switching back to the pre-industrial methods of raising animals on small farms and letting them forage. And more personally, I can deal with the stresses of day-to-day life a lot better when I have a steady diet of quality meat. There are nutrients in meat (esp. tartare) and the various organs (e.g. liver, tripe, heart) that are rare or nonexistent in plant life.
For those who want to stick to fish, shellfish, eggs, or even just dairy, go for it. But hardline vegans should beware, inter-generational veganism is untenable. Some adults seem to do just fine, but for those with children, from the time of birth through adolescence (and probably even in the womb) a vegan diet is an oppressive diet. Just look at the case of the 12-yr-old girl in Glasgow who has the spine of an 80-yr-old, thanks to being raised strictly vegan. That’s just one incident — there are parents whose babies starved to death on a vegan diet, both in the States and the UK.
The science behind the need for animal-based foods can be found at westonaprice.org.