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“Dragon Butter: Open Relationships Always Hurt”

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*Question:

Dear Stephane,

I have been in an open relationship with a woman for a year. I told her from the very beginning that I am not going to be loyal - I cannot be since this is the way I am (not to trigger her attraction or to validate myself). My love can only flourish if I am free. We build our relationship on three values that are important to me: honesty, respect and trust. I have always been 100% honest with her - at least as honest as I managed to be with myself. She wasn’t really happy with me having sex with several other women during this year but she let me be myself. And she always said that is was very happy to be with me.

Now, I made a mistake. Since I have problems with my erection with condoms I have slept with a woman without one. The reason is simple: I was horny and didn’t think about diseases (only about pregnancy). Before, we promised each other that we will always use condoms with other partners (I didn’t use them with my girlfriend). I couldn’t work up the courage to tell her until 1,5 months after the one-night-stand but finally I told her. Now, she broke up with me and says that this mistake is too big to be forgiven.

I felt guilty for a while but now I forgave myself for that mistake and will never do that again. My question: is this mistake really unforgivable? Why can’t she give me another chance and try to trust me again? Is it only about the risk that she could be infected with some disease? I know that I am trustworthy but I am not perfect.

Out of my relationships she was the one I loved most. Please help me to understand.

>>My Comments:

People in “open relationships’ are lying to themselves, including you, but… I am not judging you for this. You need to go through this on your own, and learn. Everything in our lives is always perfect.

EVENTUALLY, you will come to realize that ‘open relationships” cannot work, and always create pain & drama. The people who think they can get around this have closed Heart Chakras, which is the only way realistically to have open relationships! “I will use you for sex and validation, and you will use me” AKA “fuck buddy consciousness”.

I noticed in your email that you JUST HAD TO MENTION this:

“I have been in an open relationship with a woman for a year. I told her from the very beginning that I am not going to be loyal - I cannot be since this is the way I am (not to trigger her attraction or to validate myself).”

Do you guys see where I’m going with this?

Why would he need to tell me how he really isn’t manipulating her attraction buttons and validating himself?

Why even bring it up? You don’t hear me talking about how the sky is blue, do you? You don’t hear me mentioning that I am a male, a human being, do you?

I don’t need to mention these things.

When dealing with liars, you will notice they often say stuff like, “Let me be honest with you today!”

I’m not saying this guy is bad or trying to deliberately lie to me to hurt me, what I am saying is that he is lying to HIMSELF.

But in reality, eventually people in open relationships come to realize that they have been lying to themselves all along.

Dear Friend, you can learn this now or you can learn it later on, but you WILL learn it:

You cannot have sex without getting emotion, and Spirit, INVOLVED IN THE EQUATION.

(If anyone reading this feels defensive, THAT is the feeling called, “Steph is right, but I don’t want to acknowledge the truth yet. AKA denial. Which is cool - we need to learn these things for ourselves; we need EXPERIENCE. But anyway, interesting to note that people HATE it when I bash open relationships.)

Now, what you did to your girlfriend is, in a sense, “unforgivable”. Dating someone like you, and accepting to bein an ‘open relationship’ simply because she’s needy, I think it’s safe to say that true Compassion is not yet in her consciousness. And, it’s not part of yours yet either.

Never betray a trust - they are hard to come by in this world.

When you slept with a girl with no condom, and then came home to your girlfriend, you fed her the DRAGON BUTTER.

This places you in the same level of consciousness as a MURDERER. The reality of this situation is you could have literally killed this girl by giving her AIDS. I know you wouldn’t actually shoot someone in the head, and I know you have a conscience, but it still needs work. You are VERY, very, very immature and ignorant about relationships and sexuality right now, but you have come to the right place ;)

Do you know the story of Dragon Butter?

It’s a true story I like to tell people because it elevates their consciousness very quickly. It makes them realize that sexuality is not a toy, and that MAYBE… there might be something to this thing called “Loyalty” after all…

“DRAGON BUTTER - TRUE STORY”

One night while my girlfriend and I were out, this guy went WAY too far trying to steal her from me, saying all this stuff about me, and basically trying to make her leave me to be with him.

Under normal circumstances, I think the wise thing to do is to just ignore the guy, but
in this case, we simply could not get rid of him.

He was making my girlfriend feel increasingly uncomfortable, and this was in a place that we go to once a week to play pool with our friends.

After much thought, I asked my girlfriend if she wanted to teach this guy a lesson and make it so that he would never, EVER try to break up another relationship for as long as he lived.

She smiled and said yes.

1- I said, “Okay, let’s go.”

2- I brought her to the ladies bathroom.

3- I pulled down my pants.

4- She licked my balls.

5- She licked my anus.

6- She stuck her tongue in DEEP.

7- She game me what they call a “rim-job”.

8- Then she proceeded to give me a blowjob, until I ejaculated in her mouth.

9- She swallowed about ½ of my semen, and kept the rest in her mouth.

10- She then left the bathroom, went over to the guy, and whispered in his ear, “If you’re such a man, let’s see how you kiss.” (And made out with him)

He looked over at me with jubilant delight!

That is, until I walked over and said, “Hey man, I’ve been eating a lot of pineapples lately, and they say it’s supposed to help with the taste. But something tells me that was a really SALTY KISS.”

He appeared to be confused until my girlfriend added, “Stephane doesn’t like to kiss me after giving him a rim-job and a blow job. That’s why I like you. You don’t mind the taste of Stephane’s anus
and semen…
We call that Dragon Butter!”

PROBLEM SOLVED.

He ran out of the bar and started VOMITING.

Maybe next time he’ll think twice about being an “Ass Bandit” and trying to steal another man’s girlfriend.

He never bothered us again.

My friend, is the reality starting to sink in yet?

You sound like you were brainwashed by DavidX…
“We build our relationship on three values that are important to me: honesty, respect and trust.”

DavidX can teach us a lot about women, but you need to be able to filter out all the CRAP he teaches.

Actually, let’s pick apart some of the “bullshit stories” you are deluding yourself with.

You wrote:

“My love can only flourish if I am free.”

That is a very wise statement, but unfortunately, you are missing the point. “FREE” does not mean running around and banging chicks; it means surrendering in Love. Surrendering to a woman who is mature enough to love you without being needy, clingy.

Currently, this statement about Love that you are using is way outside your world model, your consciousness.

You also wrote:

“I told her from the very beginning that I am not going to be loyal - I cannot be since this is the way I am

Correction, this is the way YOUR EGO wants to be.

In your core, your soul, your Heart, you understand that sexuality is NOT just physical, and as such, carries with it great responsibility. A woman’s Heart is not a toy.

Sex is Sacred. When you join with a woman sexually, your Hearts will begin to beat as one… now if you’re busy running around town trying to bag every chick that will have you, you are in direct violation of the laws of the Heart. Feelings are going to get hurt.

To let go of loyalty, one must first become enlightened. From there, all parties involved will be making mature, conscious decisions about who to have sex with.

You see, Dragon butter is also emotional and spiritual. When you mix energies with other people, you are also mixing with their darkness, their fears, their hatred, depression, etc. Running around town trying to be a “PUA” is so un-healthy it’s not even funny.

(The seduction community HATES when I talk about this, because when people realize it, they’ll stop wanting to become PUA’s, they will want better things in life. Well, it’s up to them to evolve - in any business, you grow, or you die.)

I’m not telling you to stop - in fact, I think you will need to continue this for a while until you learn what I am saying for yourself, on your own terms and in your own experience. I had to go through the same things you are dealing with now to get to the level I now enjoy (drama free life, healthy relationshis, etc.)

You also wrote:

“She wasn’t really happy with me having sex with several other women during this year but she let me be myself. And she always said that is was very happy to be with me.”

You are sexually and emotionally abusing her. You *know* that it hurts her, AND you *know* that her self-esteem is too low to put a stop to it on her own. But you’re taking advantage of her anyway, to get sex & validation from her. If you are able to sleep at night, this means your Heart Chakra is almost completely closed. This is the only way we are able to lie to ourselves.

You also wrote:

“I felt guilty for a while but now I forgave myself for that mistake and will never do that again. My question: is this mistake really unforgivable? Why can’t she give me another chance and try to trust me again? Is it only about the risk that she could be infected with some disease? I know that I am trustworthy but I am not perfect.”

Where do I start??

You supposedly forgave yourself, but you don’t understand why she isn’t able to do the same. This proves that you did not yet forgive yourself - otherwise you would know the answer.

Here is SOME of the answer:

She trusted you with her life, and you broke that trust. So now, her problem isn’t just with you - she is mad at HERSELF for allowing herself to be emotionally and sexually abused by you (and probably projecting some of this on you).

She went against her own core values - she wanted loyalty, but she put that on the shelf to be with you anyway, in spite of what her Heart wanted. She compromised, and whenever we do that we are hurting ourselves. She essentially used you to abuse herself - you guys are a perfect match ;)

You two both need to eventually learn how to have Compassion. It is the ONLY real solution. You can learn this from me, or learn it from buddhist monks or somehwere else, but eventually you WILL learn it once you’re done playing in the sandbox of sexual, emotional, and spiritual ignorance.

Fact: You do not qualify to have ‘open relationships’ until you achieve enlightenment, and then by the time you get there, you probably won’t want them anymore. Sex is NOT a casual event.

With Honor,
Stephane

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16 Responses to ““Dragon Butter: Open Relationships Always Hurt””


  1. 1 Anonymous

    Wow…VERY wise words!

  2. 2 Samantha

    Yeahh..in my experience open relationships are definitely not worth it. If you think about it, it really doesn’t make sense. “Open relationship” has the word “relationship,” but it’s not enough to make one work, at least not for the vast majority of humans.

  3. 3 Arthur

    Pfffff….
    I am the guy who asked the question. Now, half a year later, after we broke up, she slept with a guy without a condom! A few days later we “happen” to have sex again and she didn’t tell me ANYTHING.

    Can you imagine this? After blaming me and not being able to forgive me for half a year she is pulling off the same thing?!!!

    “The world is your mirror”. It is so true. She wasn’t able to forgive me/kept blaming me because she invited this actively into her life but couldn’t face this truth. Damn.

    Now I am really convinced. We invite everything into our lives.

    Thank you so much for teaching me this, Steph!

  4. 4 Cynthia

    So Arthur, I must say that you seem quite astonished at her actions. So many capitalized letters, question marks, and exclamation points.

    I think it would be wise of you to read over your own message and take notice of how baffled you are. If you could, put yourself in her shoes a year ago but with the same feelings you have now.

    Even if that doesn’t help you, at least you can think of how much you’ve grown since you made that “mistake.” Perhaps you’ve matured some. Perhaps she’s going about a different route than she used to.

    Perhaps you’re right about inviting it. Now, what would you like to invite into your life? And how will you go about doing that?

  5. 5 Gabriel

    A recognition to your heart too! Thanks for sharing soo much. I have tried a couple of open relationships and they did not work too well. As for what is healthy and what is not, I wonder why sometimes we get confused and make the wrong decisions. I have been into the pua scene for a couple of years, and started a happy relationship 3 weeks ago… I can defenately understand how being involved into the whole pua thing can hurt someone, but I am also happy to have had the experience and see how it will shape my future life (I am talking about this life of course).

  6. 6 Jackoltrad

    Wow.This post just turned on a bunch of light-bulbs in my head and made me realize why my last relationship didn’t work out.

    Props to you Steph!

  7. 7 Joe

    A similar emotional thing happened to my girlfriend which ruined our relationship. There was something holding me back from giving all of myself to her, and that’s what she wanted from me. She became needy and insecure, and this went on for six months of her constantly feeling like this.

    Recently, she broke up with me. I realized I had lost a wonderful and giving person, and became desperate to get her back. She says she still loves me and is sexually attracted to me but there is something inside her stopping her from taking me back.

    I know now steph that its because she has a lot of fear and anger directed at herself for letting me emotionally torture her for so long. Thanks man.

    What the hell do I do now though!?There’s so much compassion and love inside me that I want to give to her, but I can’t!

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  9. 9 Slavo

    I completely AGREE with this

    “She went against her own core values - she wanted loyalty, but she put that on the shelf to be with you anyway, in spite of what her Heart wanted. She compromised, and whenever we do that we are hurting ourselves. She essentially used you to abuse herself - you guys are a perfect match. You two both need to eventually learn how to have Compassion. It is the ONLY real solution. You can learn this from me, or learn it from buddhist monks or somehwere else, but eventually you WILL learn it once you’re done playing in the sandbox of sexual, emotional, and spiritual ignorance.”

    I went against my core values in my previous relationship and starting full of energy after 3 years ended up at psychiatry (One flew over cuckoo’s nest movie is SO MUCH what I experienced there).

    I learned that I absolutely can’t play or put up with any mind games, and it was the toughest lesson of my life. The woman I dated took it as “fight who’s stronger” and i didn’t fully realize it.

    I love and hate your website :)

  10. 10 Ben

    That is one great article and I see the truth in it.

    I definately feel that women hurt when I fuck other girls, but they stay around because they like me so much.

    Then there are those girls who just enjoy the sex and don’t want more, those are the girls who are OK with it.

    But I am wondering Steph, you know Johnny Soporno right? He has a VERY open relationship with his girlfriend and it SEEMS to workout just fine. He says it is not in our NATURE to be monogamous, and that he loves his girlfriend so much that he is happy for her to fuck another guy that she likes…he says there is no OWNERSHIP in relationships and I know that you agree with that statment…

    …BUT you guys are on completely different sides regarding open relationships. You say, it shows a closed heart, he says loyalty is not in our nature…

    WHAT’S UP WITH THAT?

    Love your site,
    Ben

  11. 11 maurice

    If feel that open relationships can work if there is a lot of maturity with high consciousness and very clear agreements. In one shamanic spiritual tradition I know which celebrates sexuality, several such relationships have lasted many years. They have agreements around a committed monogamous relationship which allows outside mirrors or experiences. If one partner wants to explore outside the relationship then the outside person has to meet the other partner and discuss what they want to get out of the experience. Everyone has to agree to the exploring. So if a man wants to explore with a women, the outside women has to meet his women and discuss the situation and get her agreement too. They even give gifts to each other.

  12. 12 Souless

    Stephano,

    I’m very confused. What’s the difference between open relationships and the one you are having with
    Ghita and the other women ?

    Souless

  13. 13 Curious

    I agree with Souless. You’re being a complete hypocrite by allowing yourself to have an open relationship but denying others. Please explain that.

  14. 14 Amanda

    I would also like to know the answer to souless’ question.

  15. 15 Hofmeyr

    The difference is that in Arthur’s case, he could not surrender to truly loving someone, because he does not fully trust / love himself…both him and his girlfriend was in the relationship out of fear…alot of contradictions and alot of drama

    Steph on the onther hand, as I understand it, fully, wants to be with his two girlfriends at this time in his life and the same should hold for them…If things change in either of their lives, either their love will accomodate or the relationship dynamic will change…moving from love.

    Oscar Wilde said that the biggest fault of all romances are that people want to make them last forever…That for me is exactly the point: In love you can surrender yourself to that moment and be free, but that takes alot of courage. As soon as you experience anxiety about the future of your relationship you are in-fact facilitating it’s destruction…

    Dunno if this makes as much sense in words as it did in my head lol

    Peace :)

  16. 16 Samantha

    Of course I’m not trying to speak for Stephane, but I have to say when you’re in a circle, you’re not just going around sleeping with any woman you happen to find… Not only that, but Stephane isn’t going out, alone, to find women to have sex with. He and Ghita are *sharing* women, which is completely different. The circle shares each other and are very close (not to mention at a much higher level of spirituality than most people). They are actually able to handle having more than two people in the relationship..

    But that’s just my take on it..

    peace love & soul,
    Samantha aka Mo

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